angelfix wrote: 3qd59

you are really a stupid guy

Answer to all your points above:
Ignore the new queue.

Leeg wrote: 3j212o

GladiOol wrote: 3b5b3q

I'm just afraid that this will devour the quality of the mod and favours the quantity. And like said above, it gets an RPG feeling by giving 'experience points' by doing mods, which is not what you want to achieve.

There will still be a limit of ranked maps per day, personally, I don't really think the quantity will change at all.

I wasn't speaking of how many ranked maps there will come, I was speaking of the mod posts. The quality will drop as quantity gets favoured.

peppy wrote: 1vo5i

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

you are really a stupid guy

Answer to all your points above:
Ignore the new queue.

thanks

This makes modding really attractive!
For people like me, who cant find the motivation to mod, this really helps!
And it also simplyfies, organizes and speeds up the ranking process.

This is just great!!!

peppy wrote: 1vo5i

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

you are really a stupid guy

Answer to all your points above:
Ignore the new queue.

Yes, because the "If you don't like it, ignore it" argument is totally the way to go.
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Zarerion wrote: 1r1c3k

Yes, because the "If you don't like it, ignore it" argument is totally the way to go.
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I think he is implying that you can still continue modding maps the old way. You are not forced to use this system (am I wrong?)

one things missed. a new mapper is not have sps

Its only really the most efficient way to gain modder score to mod through the queue (considering you get 5 points per mod within the queue, and only one per normal mod).

Leeg wrote: 3j212o

Zarerion wrote: 1r1c3k

Yes, because the "If you don't like it, ignore it" argument is totally the way to go.
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I think he is implying that you can still continue modding maps the old way. You are not forced to use this system (am I wrong?)

Which makes you less significant in the modding environment with less rating and score.

neonat wrote: i6wu

Leeg wrote: 3j212o

I think he is implying that you can still continue modding maps the old way. You are not forced to use this system (am I wrong?)

Which makes you less significant in the modding environment with less rating and score.

Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders

Well, I think we'll be able to downvote those modders, which will get penalties for such modding.

Marcin wrote: t2f2c

Well, I think we'll be able to downvote those modders, which will get penalties for such modding.

Wouldn't that be pretty troublesome. You have to track s and all.

Zarerion wrote: 1r1c3k

Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders

Implying new combo modding isn't important ... ?

GladiOol wrote: 3b5b3q

Zarerion wrote: 1r1c3k

Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders

Implying new combo modding isn't important ... ?

This. Combos have a very large affect on how people interpret flow, rhythm and patterns in a map. Do not discredit them.

(although I think what he's referring to are people who just put "NC" 5 times and call it a good mod which is kind of silly)

Basically if one follows the modding queue, he/she would get a decent/fairly good rating if he/she mods well.
But if a mods songs not in the queue well, reason for doing so being because he has decided he/she wants to choose the songs to mod, he/she does not get as much of a good rating as the former . He/she would get less privileges as a modder, it seems unfair.

I think a lot of people here are missing the point:

This queue is designed to help mappers get maps ranked. If modders are willing to participate, they have an easier time obtaining certain privileges.

If you decide not to participate, you are not hurt in any way. However, if you obtained the same privileges by not participating, then it would defeat the whole purpose of the queue, leaving the situation the same as it is currently.

GladiOol wrote: 3b5b3q

Zarerion wrote: 1r1c3k

Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders

Implying new combo modding isn't important ... ?

No, but a good modder should not only focus on that, but also analyze the rhythm, the flow, readbility, spacing, etc.
I don't consider a pure NC modder to be qualified to nominate maps any more than modders who actually check the whole map.
Also what Silynn said.

Silynn wrote: 6x384o

I think a lot of people here are missing the point:

This queue is designed to help mappers get maps ranked. If modders are willing to participate, they have an easier time obtaining certain privileges.

If you decide not to participate, you are not hurt in any way. However, if you obtained the same privileges by not participating, then it would defeat the whole purpose of the queue, leaving the situation the same as it is currently.

50+: Ability to nominate map for qualification.
100+: Ability to upvote helpful mod posts on any map

If by not participating in the queue and you mod elsewhere and some way or another, you are unable to get a score high enough for some abilities such as these, isn't it hurtful? If the same number of mods you do elsewhere is equal to that if you mod in the queue.

Zarerion wrote: 1r1c3k

I don't consider a pure NC modder to be qualified to nominate maps any more than modders who actually check the whole map.

You do realize that if a map they nominated is deemed subpar for ranking, they'll lose a shitton of points? People nominating maps with no idea of what they are actually doing are gonna be weeded out in due time.

neonat wrote: i6wu

If by not participating in the queue and you mod elsewhere and some way or another, you are unable to get a score high enough for some abilities such as these, isn't it hurtful? If the same number of mods you do elsewhere is equal to that if you mod in the queue.

If you aren't helping the community, why do you deserve those privileges?

You have to put in effort to get something back. If you do proper modding through the queue, it does not take very much to get to the point requirement for nominations and you can mod whatever you like after.

If you want to mod whatever you like, then you can still obtain those privileges, just at a much slower pace.

There has to be some incentive for people to mod properly through this queue, otherwise it will be pointless.

: this design is not based around modders, but mappers. It is, I think, a good start to addressing the current problems and walls most people run into in their attempts to rank maps.

Sounds pretty interesting so far! I'm looking forward to it!

Please take in mind that BATs will still be able to penalize bad mod posts, and considering there will be a limit on the number of qualified maps and the maps dont get ranked by a BAT saying yes, but more like some time ing without a BAT saying no, all maps and their threads will have a chance to be reviewed by every team member.

This idea is awesome!

Oh, and I'm in the modder ranking. O.O <3

I don't think this will realy help mappers. If I understand correctly, you have to wait a long time without updating and without mods for the map to go up in the queue. Now imagine that it takes near 1 month to go to the top of the queue. When 1 month lasted since your last update a modder is assigned by the queue to your map. You apply the mod and the map go back in the bottom of the queue. So you wasted 1 month for getting only a single mod ? And dont say about actual "modding queues" when this will come, most modders may chose to use it to gain the nominating ability faster, letting mappers alone.

I also have a question : What will append to "low skilled modders" ? Imagine you want to mod a map. Actualy you the map, and try to mod it. If you can't mod it because you find no issues with it you just another one and try again. With this system, if the assignied map is too good for you, you must mod?? Then you'll post useless things or simply say "I'm sorry this map is too good for my modding level" in map thread ? Also what will append if a guy is not confident into his modding skill and have the ability to nominate a map? Must he nominate if he fond nothing ?

Old mappers: Haha I love this new system you see I have many stars I just need to spam shoot my map then hundreds of modders come to mod my map

New mappers: Where can I find the modders? Why do they refuse my in-game/pm/facebook/qq/any-other-approaches mod request?

Lazy modders: hahaha I love this system I only need to spam "1 grid up" and I can get bunches of EXP, and I can vote maps and unvote maps as I wish

Serious modders: what I have to mod songs and maps I don't like? goodbye

EDIT: Just want to say, mod from queue and non-queue should have same EXP. More EXP does not inspire better mods. The queue and random mod session should just be a way to help modders find potential modding-worth maps. Also, skipping a map should not have such a huge penalty. I think -2, even -1 is good enough as a penalty.

Flower wrote: 691u2g

Old mappers: Haha I love this new system you see I have many stars I just need to spam shoot my map then hundreds of modders come to mod my map It's been already said, that star system will be phased out.

New mappers: Where can I find the modders? Why do they refuse my in-game/pm/facebook/qq/any-other-approaches mod request? You don't need to look for modders, modders will come to you

Lazy modders: hahaha I love this system I only need to spam "1 grid up" and I can get bunches of EXP, and I can vote maps and unvote maps as I wish You can downvote those modders.

Serious modders: what I have to mod songs and maps I don't like? goodbye You're not here to mod the songs you like, but to help people.

Marcin wrote: t2f2c

It's been already said, that star system will be phased out. OK then

You don't need to look for modders, modders will come to you No, seriously. Many months after you find you get approximately mod every month just because demand exceeds supply

You can downvote those modders. Don't joke me bro. It's nearly impossible to track a modder. Do you volunteer to do this?

You're not here to mod the songs you like, but to help people. No bro, NO. Many, many modders mod a map because they hope the map can be ranked. If a modder don't like the map, is it still their compulsion to mod it?

Flower wrote: 691u2g

No bro, NO. Many, many modders mod a map because they hope the map can be ranked. If a modder don't like the map, is it still their compulsion to mod it?

If you want to mod maps you like, go ahead and do that.

That is not the purpose of the new modding queue system. If you don't want to mod within this system, you don't have to.

The system is not the only way to actively participate in the modding and ranking of beatmaps. It is an attempt at fixing many of the problems mappers face when attempting to rank maps. Not everyone has limitless connections, or the free time to do 10 M4Ms, or wait for a BAT queue to open.

Please realize that it is not compulsory, but you can help people and receive benefits by participating.

Marcin wrote: t2f2c

You can downvote those modders.

And? +10 still bigger than downvotes. Lazy modders can mod thousand maps from queue and reseive super high priority. Who the hell will search specially bad mods in thousands threads?. It is just wasting the time.

Marcin wrote: t2f2c

You're not here to mod the songs you like, but to help people.

If you doing job what you dont like it will affect the quality, it. And this related not only with osu.

Anyway, i still thinking that this queue is too nazi. I suggest let modders choose at least 4 high-priority maps before skipping because noone really will click those button. Quality of mods is most important as for me.

just because you don't like a map/song doesn't mean you still can't give a constructive mod (you just have to put more effort into it)

and as countless other people have said, you can still mod the maps you want

Silynn wrote: 6x384o

Flower wrote: 691u2g

No bro, NO. Many, many modders mod a map because they hope the map can be ranked. If a modder don't like the map, is it still their compulsion to mod it?

If you want to mod maps you like, go ahead and do that.

That is not the purpose of the new modding queue system. If you don't want to mod within this system, you don't have to.

Please realize that it is not compulsory, but you can help people and receive benefits by participating.

Almost totally agree with you, but the systems will distract modders only receiving mods from forum queue, pm request, etc. That's why I suggest reducing the difference from queue and non-queue mods.

For example, we can adjust to:
non-queue mods

1. 2 points for first post
2. 0.6 points for other posts

apaffy wrote: 2t485n

just because you don't like a map/song doesn't mean you still can't give a constructive mod (you just have to put more effort into it)

and as countless other people have said, you can still mod the maps you want

Yes, we can. However when we find a map with no unrankable issue, and is really ready for rank, but the general mapping attitude is not satisfyting, if it get ranked, the player rate can be low. I think if you can't avoid modding the map, you may just say "remap please because the map is not satisfying", which may reduce your modder rating.

Silynn wrote: 6x384o

Please realize that it is not compulsory, but you can help people and receive benefits by participating.

If you mod the maps you want to mod, you still help people the same. I think it's pretty strange that you will get less "points" for modding an other map.

apaffy wrote: 2t485n

just because you don't like a map/song doesn't mean you still can't give a constructive mod (you just have to put more effort into it)

Thats how it will work. As for me, it is a bad quality mod.

You don't need to actively search or bad modders; just poke them when you see them (either in your own map thread, or when you're modding a map). If everyone does this, they'll be found.

Deni wrote: 3h5t6t

If you mod the maps you want to mod, you still help people the same. I think it's pretty strange that you will get less "points" for modding an other map.

The major flaw with the current system is the fact that a large portion of people pick and choose which maps they want to mod, leaving a lot of maps unmodded for ages, and eventually graved.

If there were no benefits to modding a random map, then why would the new system have any effect on the situation?

CXu wrote: n3c5o

You don't need to actively search or bad modders; just poke them when you see them (either in your own map thread, or when you're modding a map). If everyone does this, they'll be found.

The system has a shortage. Some people may freely poke the modders having critical mods which is actually useful. Also people may frame-up innocent modders using this system. BAT may be responsible making a recheck on bad-modder-report, but it takes a lot of work, and still not quite efficient.

I love how you guys completely ignored my post.



That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.

Second thing: as for me modding points from queue maps should be redused to as least +5, it looks super unbalanced for now, people will mod only maps from queue instead others. All mappers should have chance i think.

Sakura wrote: 5s646o

I love how you guys completely ignored my post.



That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.

Wow, I didn't even notice that. 30% total is a bit high.

Flower wrote: 691u2g

The system has a shortage. Some people may freely poke the modders having critical mods which is actually useful. Also people may frame-up innocent modders using this system. BAT may be responsible making a recheck on bad-modder-report, but it takes a lot of work, and still not quite efficient.

If any modder feels they have been wrongly downvoted, I assume they may any one of the staff and have it sorted out within minutes.

Seems efficient to me.

Kodora wrote: 67e6a

Second thing: as for me modding points from queue maps should be redused to as least +5, it looks super unbalanced for now, people will mod only maps from queue instead others. All mappers should have chance i think.

The queue is what gives the mappers their chance, not the other way around.

I personnally think it will just be messed up.

I prefer how it is right now..

Sakura wrote: 5s646o

I love how you guys completely ignored my post.



That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.

What does that do?

The first one: qualified modders will not be courageous nominating maps that does not violate the criteria but is controversial in certain patterns. also, this discourages people from making creative maps.

The second one: what if the modder just es by a map and the mapper is new and accidentally gives the modder a kudosu?

I like how the modding/ranking process becomes a bit organized~ (and less relationship based)
big improvement imo

For the 2nd one, i think the mapper should have an "undo" button in case they misclicked.

Sakura wrote: 5s646o

For the 2nd one, i think the mapper should have an "undo" button in case they misclicked.

Yes that works often, but mostly the mapper does not know which posts should be given kudosu. Further more, which one should be given penalty? I think in most cases the "modder" does not make any fault. The BAT should be authorised to decide whether they will give the penalty and who will they give.

Also, what if mapper give kudosu by mistake? -30% looks too much. I think mapper should have button to denied personally modding points on his own map if he give it by mistake.
Or those system can be revorked as usual kd denied - people just will lost poits what they reseived by unfair way.

I somehow do not agree with the mapper not being able to update after moving to pending maps though. :/

Philippines wrote: 4q651h

I somehow do not agree with the mapper not being able to update after moving to pending maps though. :/

+1, it looks kinda weird.

Good points, I agree there should be an option to penalize and an option to just reset, tho which one is used should be left at the judgement of the BAT, mapper can also have an undo button just in case they misclick or something.

It can be used like "first unfair points - just denied, second - just denied, third - denied + penalize".

Nice, this means that if I pm someone to mod my map or even do m4m they will probably reject because my map won't give many points \:D/
Nice nice, I hope there will be the good and serious modders who will keep modding on their accord
At least they still have the option the follow or not the queue
The only thing I ask: don't force people to use this unless you want the real modders/mappers/people who give a shit about this game to leave.

Good luck, farming modders.

Btw, what if I downvote someone's mod just because I don't like them? I hope someone will punish me for doing this, at least.

I don't know what to think of this system really.
I think it is good that the current system will be changed but on the other hand I am way to used to it... I guess.
I don't really care if a map that I mod gets ranked or not so I won't be one of those who nominate anything (if I understood it correctly ^^)

I guess I am not sure about it since I only mod for 2 reasons:
Helping others
getting kudosu

dunno what will happen ^^ So I just let it come :>

Long ago, the happy players of osu! lived together in harmony, then, everything changed when peppy came back.

[Luanny] wrote: 3m6w4y

Nice, this means that if I pm someone to mod my map or even do m4m they will probably reject because my map won't give many points \:D/

This is one of main problems in those update

[Luanny] wrote: 3m6w4y

Btw, what if I downvote someone's mod just because I don't like them? I hope someone will punish me for doing this, at least.

Why that was not mentiored before? As far as i know, only BATs allowed to denied unfair points - modders can only report

oh hi Luanny o.o

zozozofun wrote: 96d4l

Long ago, the happy players of osu! lived together in harmony, then, everything changed when peppy came back.

WHO'S AFRAID OF THE BIG PEPPY

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

@flower. stop useless arguing, nothing will be changed finally, so let us see what hell will happen

I just argue to see if I can make some minor suggestions so that the new system is more friendly. I'm not totally against the new system, though I will have less chance of gaoji'ing.

Hmm is a nice idea,but i think many modders like me prefer to mod by they own rule, because in the list of modding queue i saw just high star rating maps, no maps already submitted and so on,i don't think is right to those mappers,all maps need a help even new mappers,hope this sistem can be improved because is a nice idea C:

*reads thread* Man, it's like I'm reliving the announcement of the SP system and kudosu all over again!

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

i am willing to osu! recommend some maps, but use it to make the most important part of ranking system is crazy, different from PP system, game is a kind of sport, so ranking is useful, but mapping is a kind of art, ranking is just like shit.

Yep, that's it. High skipping penalty makes this queue compulsory. Just reducing the skipping penalty makes a big improvement.

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

the most unacceptable things is choose maps by a machine or we called it system, something never can be done by computer, like find a music we love, music radio always can not replace CDs. Today's system is not the best, but this one is the wrost.

But no one will force you to mod from queue. You can mod on your own and choose whatever you like.

Sieg wrote: 10495m

But no one will force you to mod from queue. You can mod on your own and choose whatever you like.

main problem is queue maps have VERY big priority abuse. it is an indirect forcing.

Sieg wrote: 10495m

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

the most unacceptable things is choose maps by a machine or we called it system, something never can be done by computer, like find a music we love, music radio always can not replace CDs. Today's system is not the best, but this one is the wrost.

But no one will force you to mod from queue. You can mod on your own and choose whatever you like.

Of course, it'll be very hard to become someone who can nominate maps if you do that.

...But that's the entire damn point. The point is that only people who are willing to mod all maps and not just maps they like are the ones who get privileges like being able to nominate maps. If you don't care about those privileges, however, feel free to mod whatever the hell you want. Just don't expect to get significant rewards for it.

EDIT:

main problem is queue maps have VERY big priority abuse. it is an indirect forcing.

You lose 50 SP whenever your map gets modded. I think that'll sort itself out over time.

Ekaru wrote: 6v1j6d

...But that's the entire damn point. The point is that only people who are willing to mod all maps and not just maps they like are the ones who get privileges like being able to nominate maps. If you don't care about those privileges, however, feel free to mod whatever the hell you want. Just don't expect to get significant rewards for it.

Exactly. I don't get why most of people miss that.
If you want nominate and work on system just use that system. If you don't... well your mods still helpful in improving map quality and if I get this correctly non-queue mod don't remove map priority position in queue.

Ekaru wrote: 6v1j6d

...But that's the entire damn point. The point is that only people who are willing to mod all maps and not just maps they like are the ones who get privileges like being able to nominate maps. If you don't care about those privileges, however, feel free to mod whatever the hell you want. Just don't expect to get significant rewards for it.

Again. People is not a modding machines. It is depends to song and map. Did BATs mod every map what people send to them? Hell no! This is just unneeded forcing, again, it will affect quality of mods.

Imagine if BATs will have queue like this - osu! mapping will die. This must cant be forsed, directly or indirectly.

Ekaru wrote: 6v1j6d

You lose 50 SP whenever your map gets modded. I think that'll sort itself out over time.

What? Really? It is just retarded. Not all mappers are good modders. This is again just ridicilous indirectly forcing.

angelfix wrote: 3qd59

you always emphasize feel free to mod, you can ignore this system, so why close mod queue? why minus points if you jump the maps? why add it into ranking system? don't lie in a pretty way

Because since you are free to go on as you are doing currently if you don't like the system, anything that happens in the system DOES NOT MATTER to you AT ALL.

Apparently you want whatever cool stuff the system has to offer, but refuses to follow the rules set by the system. If that's the case, then tough luck.

Thread locked, posts deleted due to silly arguing and trolling.

Thanks for your thusfar. I will develop the rest of the system and deploy it without further , as this thread has fallen into an unrecoverable downwards spiral.

peppy wrote: 1vo5i

real-time modding system map #2 (currently in testing stages)
active for these two maps only. not yet linked to the rest of the system. please use these for real-world testing – as in mod them properly if you are going to post anything.

Bumping for further visibility. Feel free to mod one of these two maps if you want to experience the new system early.