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XDDDAmaiHachimitsu wrote: 732j45
Let's fight again for the glorious 1 month er tag!
Is it possible to at least give the badges to the first three teams instead of only the winner this year? I kinda cringe when seeing people with multiple badges from local/country tournaments while the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the world don't get anything at all.
Want a badge? Just win it, I don't see any problem ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)fartownik wrote: 6j402p
XDDDAmaiHachimitsu wrote: 732j45
Let's fight again for the glorious 1 month er tag!
Is it possible to at least give the badges to the first three teams instead of only the winner this year? I kinda cringe when seeing people with multiple badges from local/country tournaments while the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the world don't get anything at all.
Don't make me start my propaganda again like last year.Kaoru wrote: 635a3t
'Murica!
How's this for propaganda?jesus1412 wrote: 51k37
Don't make me start my propaganda again like last year.Kaoru wrote: 635a3t
'Murica!
Why no placeholder teams, if we're allowed to change roster?
I want to grab the team spot for USA but I still need to talk to a lot of players to figure out the exact lineup.
I can sign up at least 6 players for now that will for sure be able to play, but I can't finalize it yet... and probably won't be able to until near the end of registration.
I want to grab the team spot for USA but I still need to talk to a lot of players to figure out the exact lineup.
I can sign up at least 6 players for now that will for sure be able to play, but I can't finalize it yet... and probably won't be able to until near the end of registration.
Well everyone knew the OWC was coming...Silynn wrote: 6x384o
Why no placeholder teams, if we're allowed to change roster?
I want to grab the team spot for USA but I still need to talk to a lot of players to figure out the exact lineup.
I can sign up at least 6 players for now that will for sure be able to play, but I can't finalize it yet... and probably won't be able to until near the end of registration.
There was plenty of time to organise it over the past days... Weeks... Months... Years?
It's something I personally would rather deal with when it happens, also, a lot of the US players have been on the edge of whether they will play or not. Along with that, there are a few players who have risen in ranking recently that I need to talk to and assess before deciding whether they get a spot on the team or not.Bauxe wrote: 1j1t3o
Well everyone knew the OWC was coming...Silynn wrote: 6x384o
Why no placeholder teams, if we're allowed to change roster?
I want to grab the team spot for USA but I still need to talk to a lot of players to figure out the exact lineup.
I can sign up at least 6 players for now that will for sure be able to play, but I can't finalize it yet... and probably won't be able to until near the end of registration.
There was plenty of time to organise it over the past days... Weeks... Months... Years?
Basically, it's better to do these things "in the moment" rather than in advance, when people can't fully commit and I don't have all the information I need to form the best team. There's a reason we're given 3 weeks, I would like to think.
Also, some people are kind of immature.. so deciding the team beforehand will cause drama when they get left out (which I don't want to deal with. And yes, this happens.)
I'm not saying you should have it all sorted, but if you have some sort of idea who will be in it (I'm sure you could pick 4 or so players even a month before the announcement), you could get a base team down, then submit modifications later on in the month.Silynn wrote: 6x384o
It's something I personally would rather deal with when it happens, also, a lot of the US players have been on the edge of whether they will play or not. Along with that, there are a few players who have risen in ranking recently that I need to talk to and assess before deciding whether they get a spot on the team or not.
Basically, it's better to do these things "in the moment" rather than in advance, when people can't fully commit and I don't have all the information I need to form the best team. There's a reason we're given 3 weeks, I would like to think.
Also, some people are kind of immature.. so deciding the team beforehand will cause drama when they get left out (which I don't want to deal with. And yes, this happens.)
As for the drama, I have seen more than my fair share of this going on with the Australian team. But really, you shouldn't let that sort of stuff get to your head. If they clearly aren't good enough to play in the OWC, then they shouldn't. There are only 8 spots, so some people need to understand they can't always be included.
Oh misread. But I figured this means you can change the team:Silynn wrote: 6x384o
You totally missed what I said.Bauxe wrote: 1j1t3o
you could get a base team down, then submit modifications later on in the month.
I just heard that Loctav only accepts finalized rosters.
I'm not saying I can't submit a provisional one now.
For team sign ups, fill out this form. Then, your registration by sending a PM to Loctav titled “OWC Registration”Captains may change their setup
by notifying the management.
edit: and this...
If you have any changes you wish to make during the registration phase, request it via a PM.
I was shown this image ~ http://puu.sh/bWqRy/f34d164348.jpgBauxe wrote: 1j1t3o
Oh misread. But I figured this means you can change the team:
For team sign ups, fill out this form. Then, your registration by sending a PM to Loctav titled “OWC Registration”Captains may change their setup
by notifying the management.
edit: and this...
If you have any changes you wish to make during the registration phase, request it via a PM.
I would like to address an issue regarding the rules of the ranking system used in the group stages of the OWC.
I have addressed this all in last year's post so here is the link to that.
p/2660626/
The rules regarding group stages has remained unchanged since last year so this issue still holds.
I hope that you reconsider the current ranking system. Thanks.
I have addressed this all in last year's post so here is the link to that.
p/2660626/
A Copy of the Post
In short the third priority criteria for ranking, " 3. Most maps won. " will always place the team with a lower win percentage as the higher ranked team.
I would like to address an issue regarding the rankings for group stages.
Just for reference
Quote:
Rankings of each group are determined by sorting the results of each team's performance in the following priority:
1. Most matches won.
2. Have higher {(the number of maps won) - (the number of maps defeated)}.
3. Most maps won.
4. Have higher ∑{(total score difference) / (maximum score)}.
5. Winner of the rematch.
I believe that number 3 may need to be revised.Intuitively, winning more maps seems deserving of a higher rank, it's important to note that it is only taken into if the two higher priority results (matches won, and maps won to maps lost) are equal. If two teams were equal in matches won, and equal in maps won - maps lost, this current ranking system would declare the team with the lower win/loss ratio as the team with the higher rank.
For example
Let's say there is a group consisting of 4 teams facing each other in best of 7 matches, so each team plays a total 3 matches. In this group there are two teams, Alpha team and Gold team. Alpha team wins 2 matches 4-3 and 4-3, and loses one 3-4. Gold team wins two matches 4-2, 4-3, and loses one 2-4.
In this case both teams have won two matches and lost one. So they are equal in most matches won (priority number 1). Alpha team has won a total of 11 maps and lost 10, while Gold team has won 10 maps and lost 9. Thus in regards to priority number 2 (Have higher {(the number of maps won) - (the number of maps defeated)}.) They are equal as well.
This means that we must go the number 3, most maps won. Alpha team has 11 wins as opposed to Gold teams 10, thus Alpha team would be the higher rank. But there is a problem here, Alpha team has played a total of 21 maps and won 11 of them. Alpha team's win rate is 11/21 or about 52.4%, on the other hand Gold team's win rate is 10/19 or about 52.6%. While these values may seem close, what's important is that Gold team has won a greater percentage of their matches.
In fact no matter what numbers you produce, if you assume results 1 and 2 of two teams to be equal, the team with the lower percentage of wins, and consequently the higher percentage of losses, will be the higher ranked team.
I believe that priority number 3 should be changed to the team with the higher percentage of wins as that would be a better reflection of which team is more deserving of the higher rank.
Just for reference
Quote:
Rankings of each group are determined by sorting the results of each team's performance in the following priority:
1. Most matches won.
2. Have higher {(the number of maps won) - (the number of maps defeated)}.
3. Most maps won.
4. Have higher ∑{(total score difference) / (maximum score)}.
5. Winner of the rematch.
I believe that number 3 may need to be revised.Intuitively, winning more maps seems deserving of a higher rank, it's important to note that it is only taken into if the two higher priority results (matches won, and maps won to maps lost) are equal. If two teams were equal in matches won, and equal in maps won - maps lost, this current ranking system would declare the team with the lower win/loss ratio as the team with the higher rank.
For example
Let's say there is a group consisting of 4 teams facing each other in best of 7 matches, so each team plays a total 3 matches. In this group there are two teams, Alpha team and Gold team. Alpha team wins 2 matches 4-3 and 4-3, and loses one 3-4. Gold team wins two matches 4-2, 4-3, and loses one 2-4.
In this case both teams have won two matches and lost one. So they are equal in most matches won (priority number 1). Alpha team has won a total of 11 maps and lost 10, while Gold team has won 10 maps and lost 9. Thus in regards to priority number 2 (Have higher {(the number of maps won) - (the number of maps defeated)}.) They are equal as well.
This means that we must go the number 3, most maps won. Alpha team has 11 wins as opposed to Gold teams 10, thus Alpha team would be the higher rank. But there is a problem here, Alpha team has played a total of 21 maps and won 11 of them. Alpha team's win rate is 11/21 or about 52.4%, on the other hand Gold team's win rate is 10/19 or about 52.6%. While these values may seem close, what's important is that Gold team has won a greater percentage of their matches.
In fact no matter what numbers you produce, if you assume results 1 and 2 of two teams to be equal, the team with the lower percentage of wins, and consequently the higher percentage of losses, will be the higher ranked team.
I believe that priority number 3 should be changed to the team with the higher percentage of wins as that would be a better reflection of which team is more deserving of the higher rank.
The rules regarding group stages has remained unchanged since last year so this issue still holds.
I hope that you reconsider the current ranking system. Thanks.
if big k and hvick didnt make their roster scary enough, Rucker and his stupid high consistency is probably going to be the biggest factor especially on getting to the finals. unless dungeon comes out of left field with the combos i dont even think korea will make it to the finals...
im really excited to see Rucker play again, he was my favorite player last owc with how hard he almost carried his team to 1st, and now that his team doesnt even really NEED to be carried he's just going to be extra horsepower on an engine that was already fixed on victory.
im really excited to see Rucker play again, he was my favorite player last owc with how hard he almost carried his team to 1st, and now that his team doesnt even really NEED to be carried he's just going to be extra horsepower on an engine that was already fixed on victory.
Dungeon mia 2 yearsRiince wrote: 682pv
if big k and hvick didnt make their roster scary enough, Rucker and his stupid high consistency is probably going to be the biggest factor especially on getting to the finals. unless dungeon comes out of left field with the combos i dont even think korea will make it to the finals...
oh yeah military serviceMelt3dCheeze wrote: 3ce29
Dungeon mia 2 yearsRiince wrote: 682pv
if big k and hvick didnt make their roster scary enough, Rucker and his stupid high consistency is probably going to be the biggest factor especially on getting to the finals. unless dungeon comes out of left field with the combos i dont even think korea will make it to the finals...
Damn... I guess that's all she wrote for Korea this year then.