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I can't wait to see what's going to happen with the new score system being implemented in this TWC compared to previous TWC Tournaments. Hopefully they'll be a lot more surprises and turnabouts along the way. Good Luck to everyone who'll be competing this year. I'm looking forward to having another amazing and exciting TWC Year with you guys. 
Hi Guys, I have a question. Do I need to have the cutting edge version installed to participate in the tournament? Since when trying to install this, I send an error and then the osu! If it crashes, then I want to know if I need to install it or if they using that version can see my score in V2 score.
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p/5816578#p5816578Loctav wrote: 131p2r
You won't be able to use Fallback though.
https://twitter.com/MillhioreF/status/8 ... 1700809730 (read its thread)
...well i wouldn't say it's very fair
All the world cups are streamed on twitch. Although in early rounds of the tournament not every single match will be streamed as many occur simultaneously.cara-sama wrote: 164q6j
hii ! i just wAnt to know if it's gonna have a ''live'' or something we can see osu!taiko ??
https://www.twitch.tv/osulive
can't help it, bbj, fallback is a non ed game version and won't receive any updates anymore (for over a year already, I suppose)
as we develop our game and tournament forward, it is mandatory to use the newest game version. you use an ancient client version and we can't these anymore whatsoever.
as we develop our game and tournament forward, it is mandatory to use the newest game version. you use an ancient client version and we can't these anymore whatsoever.
animexamera wrote: 5ft6x
is it still possible to
i just read about the scorev2 thing that big notes wont count as combo break and whatever and decided to after all but now i can t even though it says it closes today shouldnt i be able to today?
From the news page:
"Hand in your registration before 19. February 2017." before
" that any registrations past the deadline will not be considered under any circumstances"
Since your excuse for not ing in time was completely avoidable, I doubt they'd let you in. :/
Rufoel wrote: 5m
Hi. I ed for TWC2017 but according to my captain I'm not on the candidates list. Can I get information on what happened?
Rufoel:https://osu-ppy-sh.zoneani.me/u/7178799
i try to ask by email [email protected] but nobody answered me
Hey that happened to me too
i ask them by email too and their reply is not helping at all
i am disappointed because i got no explanation, i dont feel like i broke the rule for the past 1 year
Some answers would be nice
Niko-nyan wrote: 2x5w2t
Backfire wrote: 30x4u
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
that's the most of us thinking right now :thinking:
also whats wrong with the pool, 7* on a group stage rofl
Good luck to everyone who parcitipated
pmriva wrote: 2z3j38
Rufoel wrote: 5m
Hi. I ed for TWC2017 but according to my captain I'm not on the candidates list. Can I get information on what happened?
Rufoel:https://osu-ppy-sh.zoneani.me/u/7178799
i try to ask by email [email protected] but nobody answered me
Hey that happened to me too
i ask them by email too and their reply is not helping at all
i am disappointed because i got no explanation, i dont feel like i broke the rule for the past 1 year
Some answers would be nice
Same here
By the way can you staff mappack to mega instead mediafire? mediafire was blocked in china :<
I'm sure you can just the maps one by one. If you don't know already, all the links are available on the wiki page.lop wrote: 3e1xh
By the way can you staff mappack to mega instead mediafire? mediafire was blocked in china :<
Well it still kind of is an accuracy war considering how score v2 dampens misses and some maps have such demanding rhythmsJaye wrote: 33v60
I'm actually so glad the mappool for group stage is much harder this year. Players and teams in general have been getting better all-around and it's nice to see that this year's group stage won't be just another accuracy war where the results are either choke or SS tie.
Not sure if most are glad to see the much harder mappool
even if players and teams in general have been getting better 
I know where you were trying to go with the map pool and all but this is straight up UNFAIR to lower and middle seeds.
Last year, the maps for GS were easy yes but compared to this year, you can't expect any of the lower seed and most of the middle seed to get close to ing most of these maps. The maps last year gave everyone a fighting chance at least, but this is just cruel to those who wanted to play and enjoy it even if they'll get knocked out because they might as well bash on their keyboard because it'd be the same as attempting to play the difficult patterns in these technical maps.
Last year, the maps for GS were easy yes but compared to this year, you can't expect any of the lower seed and most of the middle seed to get close to ing most of these maps. The maps last year gave everyone a fighting chance at least, but this is just cruel to those who wanted to play and enjoy it even if they'll get knocked out because they might as well bash on their keyboard because it'd be the same as attempting to play the difficult patterns in these technical maps.
Yeah imo a good difficulty increase from one year to the next is move all mappoold up one week and make a harder mappool for grand finals (same difficulty not same maps) So groups stage mappool this year would be equivalent to Ro16 mappool last year, Ro16 would be equivalent to last year's quarterfinals ect. But as it is currently the group stage is more like semi-finals from last year. At this rate we could expect to see grand finals difficulty in quarterfinals? I don't even want to know what insanity would be in grand finals mappool with that progression, technical 11 star maps?
yo just wanna clarify something about the new freemod rules
it says that at least 1 player from each team needs to have mods on, so does that mean if the map has "HD/HDHR" written behind a map (in this case being Der Wald), only one player from the team needs either HD or HDHR on and the other two can play with nomods?
it says that at least 1 player from each team needs to have mods on, so does that mean if the map has "HD/HDHR" written behind a map (in this case being Der Wald), only one player from the team needs either HD or HDHR on and the other two can play with nomods?
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All money raised goes into funding the prizes for the podium winners. If your ed team wins the world cup, you can even keep your banner a bit longer!
All money raised goes into funding the prizes for the podium winners. If your ed team wins the world cup, you can even keep your banner a bit longer!
Just my personal perspective on this twc.
The main purposes of twc should be
A. A place for some of the best players of taiko mode to compete in a FUN and fair way
B. A place for players to watch some of the best taiko players compete
Right now, it doesn't really do these very well.
A. I know there have been plenty of comments that the mappool is way too hard, and it's unfair and unbalanced. I do have to agree with this. The problem isn't just that the maps are hard though, and that players can't them. The winning team is still proven to be better. The problem is that, it isn't fun at all. Yes, this is a competition showcasing amazingly skilled players, but it's also a game. Balancing a mappool around the very best players or the goal of "the hardest maps that are still able" results in a pool nobody likes. People don't play taiko to memorize maps just so they can have a chance of ing them. They play to enjoy the game. Probably. If players are literally unable to a map without practicing it, or even unable to even if they do, it just results in frustration, and people quitting taiko. Someone I know was frustrated enough to do so. For example, HR Freedom Dive. Only one player, the #1 global taiko player ed it in the Taiwan vs Japan match. It's just... not fun. The mappool should be at a level where most players, playing for the first time, could at least . And that's what I would honestly prefer; if maps were revealed on the day of the competition. Then it would actually be a test of reading and skill, rather than who practiced and memorized the pool most.
B. Second, while hard maps are cool and all, do you really think the audience wants to watch people struggling just to , or giving up in the middle? It's not fun to play, and it's not fun to watch.
It's fine to have some insanely hard maps, for the groups that can play them. But please, also balance it with more reasonable maps for everyone else, because at its core, osu! is a game. And games are meant to be fun.
Sorry for the wall of text.
The main purposes of twc should be
A. A place for some of the best players of taiko mode to compete in a FUN and fair way
B. A place for players to watch some of the best taiko players compete
Right now, it doesn't really do these very well.
A. I know there have been plenty of comments that the mappool is way too hard, and it's unfair and unbalanced. I do have to agree with this. The problem isn't just that the maps are hard though, and that players can't them. The winning team is still proven to be better. The problem is that, it isn't fun at all. Yes, this is a competition showcasing amazingly skilled players, but it's also a game. Balancing a mappool around the very best players or the goal of "the hardest maps that are still able" results in a pool nobody likes. People don't play taiko to memorize maps just so they can have a chance of ing them. They play to enjoy the game. Probably. If players are literally unable to a map without practicing it, or even unable to even if they do, it just results in frustration, and people quitting taiko. Someone I know was frustrated enough to do so. For example, HR Freedom Dive. Only one player, the #1 global taiko player ed it in the Taiwan vs Japan match. It's just... not fun. The mappool should be at a level where most players, playing for the first time, could at least . And that's what I would honestly prefer; if maps were revealed on the day of the competition. Then it would actually be a test of reading and skill, rather than who practiced and memorized the pool most.
B. Second, while hard maps are cool and all, do you really think the audience wants to watch people struggling just to , or giving up in the middle? It's not fun to play, and it's not fun to watch.
It's fine to have some insanely hard maps, for the groups that can play them. But please, also balance it with more reasonable maps for everyone else, because at its core, osu! is a game. And games are meant to be fun.
Sorry for the wall of text.
giving my two cents as well
the fact is that even among the best teams (to me, taiwan/japan are the two best teams of the game), there's too much difference in raw skill. just look at _yu casually doing very good on every map while his teammates sometimes can't even follow (quoting freedom dive here, actually that's the only map where we can see it).
from this world cup, we should just conclude that mappool should be adapted to one (or more) team instead of a few "very good players".
as a player who likes to play hard maps, i liked this mappool because it's really challenging and i'd like to test myself against the best players on these maps. but i have to it that it's just way too hard for some players who can't even them.
i'm fine with having a much harder mappool in general because the past years were just too easy and it could be a matter of shitmissing/accuracy only. i personally think that:
some "sightread" tournament could be interesting though, why not, but maybe this isn't what staff isn't looking for? and we would literally ban most maps with some ninja SV/spinners because everyone would miss on them.
this is a world cup which tests the best players of each country. i it that on the matches it rely a little bit too much on individual skill & single , though. to defend the mapset selectors, they tried something new this year which might not have been too good, it happens. just wait for the next year to show the same system but even better
tl;dr even if i liked the idea of much higher difficulty, every pool should be slightly nerfed to keep something somewhat challenging while allowing most players to play the map.
the fact is that even among the best teams (to me, taiwan/japan are the two best teams of the game), there's too much difference in raw skill. just look at _yu casually doing very good on every map while his teammates sometimes can't even follow (quoting freedom dive here, actually that's the only map where we can see it).
from this world cup, we should just conclude that mappool should be adapted to one (or more) team instead of a few "very good players".
as a player who likes to play hard maps, i liked this mappool because it's really challenging and i'd like to test myself against the best players on these maps. but i have to it that it's just way too hard for some players who can't even them.
i'm fine with having a much harder mappool in general because the past years were just too easy and it could be a matter of shitmissing/accuracy only. i personally think that:
- group stage mappool should be moved to round of 16
- round of 16 mappool should be moved to quarterfinals
- ... and such.
- however the semifinals pool seems too easy for finals matches, so maybe a buff would be required.
some "sightread" tournament could be interesting though, why not, but maybe this isn't what staff isn't looking for? and we would literally ban most maps with some ninja SV/spinners because everyone would miss on them.
this is a world cup which tests the best players of each country. i it that on the matches it rely a little bit too much on individual skill & single , though. to defend the mapset selectors, they tried something new this year which might not have been too good, it happens. just wait for the next year to show the same system but even better
tl;dr even if i liked the idea of much higher difficulty, every pool should be slightly nerfed to keep something somewhat challenging while allowing most players to play the map.
Very well structured and clearly explained, couldn't agree more.Alchyr wrote: 2b6vc
Just my personal perspective on this twc.
The main purposes of twc should be
A. A place for some of the best players of taiko mode to compete in a FUN and fair way
B. A place for players to watch some of the best taiko players compete
Right now, it doesn't really do these very well.
A. I know there have been plenty of comments that the mappool is way too hard, and it's unfair and unbalanced. I do have to agree with this. The problem isn't just that the maps are hard though, and that players can't them. The winning team is still proven to be better. The problem is that, it isn't fun at all. Yes, this is a competition showcasing amazingly skilled players, but it's also a game. Balancing a mappool around the very best players or the goal of "the hardest maps that are still able" results in a pool nobody likes. People don't play taiko to memorize maps just so they can have a chance of ing them. They play to enjoy the game. Probably. If players are literally unable to a map without practicing it, or even unable to even if they do, it just results in frustration, and people quitting taiko. Someone I know was frustrated enough to do so. For example, HR Freedom Dive. Only one player, the #1 global taiko player ed it in the Taiwan vs Japan match. It's just... not fun. The mappool should be at a level where most players, playing for the first time, could at least . And that's what I would honestly prefer; if maps were revealed on the day of the competition. Then it would actually be a test of reading and skill, rather than who practiced and memorized the pool most.
B. Second, while hard maps are cool and all, do you really think the audience wants to watch people struggling just to , or giving up in the middle? It's not fun to play, and it's not fun to watch.
It's fine to have some insanely hard maps, for the groups that can play them. But please, also balance it with more reasonable maps for everyone else, because at its core, osu! is a game. And games are meant to be fun.
Sorry for the wall of text.
thisEkoro wrote: 182u1z
i'm fine with having a much harder mappool in general because the past years were just too easy and it could be a matter of shitmissing/accuracy only. i personally think that:
- group stage mappool should be moved to round of 16
- round of 16 mappool should be moved to quarterfinals
- ... and such.
^^^^^
Im glad I didnt after all. The requirement to TWC is to be >5000 ranks (if Im not mistanken), but the GS mappool this year was unable even for >900 ranked players. I dont know what the beatmapchoosers were thinking when they made this mappool, but it ain't fun for players who cant them. I'd rather have players SS every single map, if that means I can them.
Im glad I didnt after all. The requirement to TWC is to be >5000 ranks (if Im not mistanken), but the GS mappool this year was unable even for >900 ranked players. I dont know what the beatmapchoosers were thinking when they made this mappool, but it ain't fun for players who cant them. I'd rather have players SS every single map, if that means I can them.